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People these days do not like reading for long, or search for too long to get the information they need.
They rather want action and fast results, as well as an INSTANT CURE, as I can see in my practice and treatments!

Pre-chewed and 1/2 digested would be best !
;-)

Yes, Rob, my thinking goes in the same direction… I have some literatur-agent books red for such a project…( non fiction content).
We need first a CONCEPT of the book-project and some proposal chapters in the "manusikript" to show what the style and content is
Than we need a good agent to find a publisher (in german "Verlag") who is ready to print and distribute such book over the world - which is the real hard step (to find a publisher) and should be done by people with grat conections ( literatur-agents9.
Than - after signing a contract with a publisher - we need to fullfill all the rest of waiting chapters…

But first we need a concept for such book.

@Kenneth: "I was thinking along the lines of an online guide".
This is not good for a publishing book project. Publishers do not like more than 2-4 chapters online…

And Yes, my first idea was the "real" book when I saw the cover from Rob.

@Rob: it was clear for me that this was ( a very good !) "enpowering kick" to start with such an answer for the "beginners" - to make them the start easier.

I think really for a long time of such a book for the non technical people.
Example: the niece of my wife have no idea how html or browser works , but have startet a wonderfull genealogy-wiki for her family back to 1500 AD with more than 8000 people - of course a private one, but will later open the generations back until -4 ( for legal reasons).

I think - we need mainly such examples to tell the people WHY a wiki is a good idea for them. and not so much technical support - who can edit the own wiki can have a look abnd find in the online guides…(handbook?)

And: - as Rob has written -to write a book is a big project and a lot of work. I think - could be this will end at xmas next year…
but this is only dreaming….


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by Helmut_pdorfHelmut_pdorf, 03 Dec 2011 08:31

Also, I changed the theme to the widened version for a better fit of the hammer template.


Kenneth Tsang (@jxeeno)

by tsangktsangk, 02 Dec 2011 23:52

Haha… okay. Well, I never really considered this project's work to be published. Rather, I was thinking along the lines of an online guide.


Kenneth Tsang (@jxeeno)

by tsangktsangk, 02 Dec 2011 23:50

Do you think leaving the word "dummies" in it be fine?

No, I doubt that would be legally acceptable in a published work. If this is the route that people wish to go down, i.e. to publiish a book in the "..for Dummies" series, then we (I) can make approaches over the next few months to publishing agents once the bones of the book are written. Other alternatives would be to publish it ourselves with a completely different style of title. Whichever approach is taken will require a huge amount of work.

This was only an off-the-cuff idea!


Rob Elliott - Strathpeffer, Scotland - Wikidot first line support & community admin team.

by RobElliottRobElliott, 02 Dec 2011 23:09

Also, here is a list of trademarks that are listed within the book:

  • Wiley
  • the Wiley Publishing logo
  • For Dummies
  • the Dummies Man logo
  • A Reference for the Rest of Us!
  • The Dummies Way
  • Dummies Daily
  • The Fun and Easy Way
  • Dummies.om

Kenneth Tsang (@jxeeno)

by tsangktsangk, 02 Dec 2011 22:45

So… I guess we will need to come up with alternate names. Do you think leaving the word "dummies" in it be fine? For example, something like "The Dummies Guide to Wikidot".


Kenneth Tsang (@jxeeno)

by tsangktsangk, 02 Dec 2011 22:37

"Wikis for Dummies" has been published which is a geeral book about wikis authored by Peter Thoeny (creator of Twiki) but not "Wikdiot For Dummies". However, everyone should be aware that we can't just publish a title like that without infringing copyright of the title, nor can we pitch the idea directly to the publishers of the "..for Dunmies" series, John Wiley as they don't accept unsolicitied ideas. It has to go through publishing agents.


Rob Elliott - Strathpeffer, Scotland - Wikidot first line support & community admin team.

by RobElliottRobElliott, 02 Dec 2011 20:11

Thanks Kenneth for the book link! It is amazing to read from my old tools we tried so many years ago…. :)


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Thanks - this brings the question - do we need the side bar on the 3 hammer navigator pages?
Or other way round: should we change the start page and the 3 main overviews to a standard listpage tabview ? ( without the hammer navigator)
Or - should i "copy" the csi:include toour own include:hammer-navigator?


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I think if we look at the Wikis for Dummies book, we can get some inspiration on how to structure this guide.


Kenneth Tsang (@jxeeno)

Re: At the beginnings by tsangktsangk, 01 Dec 2011 05:47

The Hammer Navigator has

#side-bar {
   display:none;
}

in the CSS. That was done to maximize the width of the table holding the ListPages data.

Edit: You can see this in the css module on this page: http://csi.wikidot.com/include:hammer-navigator

Hello! :)

We may need to be careful about using the "Dummies" name due to copyright reasons. How about "Wikidot for Wikidiots"? <tongue in cheek>

All joking aside, I really like the idea of trying to put together a well organized reference for getting started with Wikidot. I would propose we set up a page to hold an outline for our book in "Dummies" fashion.


Introduction

  • About This Project

Chapter 1: What Is Wikidot?

  • A wiki farm explained

Chapter 2: Getting Started

  • Your first site

And so on…


If we can collectively build a good starting outline, we can start to fill content based on that. I think it would be interesting to poll the community to answer some of Helmuti's questions. I'd like to know the answer to these questions:

 

  • What were you looking for or looking to accomplish when you found Wikidot?
  • Why did you decide to create an account and start to build your site(s)?
  • What frustrated you or was the hardest thing to learn when you first started?
  • What sources of information did/do you rely on most?

I think the answers could serve as a tool to help design an outline that flows down a path that most users would want to follow as they learn to use Wikidot in all its glory.

Re: At the beginnings by Ed JohnsonEd Johnson, 30 Nov 2011 20:14

1. The navigator assumes comments are bookmarked with #comments. So, in your _template, use this code to add per-page comments to each page:

[[# comments]]
[[iftags -_hidecomments]]
++ **Comments:** %%comments%%
[[module Comments title=""]]
[[/iftags]]

2. Always insert the tag "_hidecomments" on a page where the comments should be really hidden!
( se above iftags ! )


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I cannot find out why on all "overview" pages with "hammer navigator" there is no side bar visible… is itthe theme ?


Service is my success. My webtips:www.blender.org (Open source), Wikidot-Handbook.

Sie können fragen und mitwirken in der deutschsprachigen » User-Gemeinschaft für WikidotNutzer oder
im deutschen » Wikidot Handbuch ?

I hope someone see the thread page and says hallo!
Regards
Helmut


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Sie können fragen und mitwirken in der deutschsprachigen » User-Gemeinschaft für WikidotNutzer oder
im deutschen » Wikidot Handbuch ?

At the beginnings by Helmut_pdorfHelmut_pdorf, 30 Nov 2011 17:38
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